Hi Folks, This archive represents a little piece of BOC-L history - and of course, BOC-L's pre-history, as the "Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List" and then as the "Imaginitive Rock Discussion List". What can I say, sometimes this list has been as schizophrenic as the bands that we love. :-) The Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List was formed on September 22, 1990, when I posted a message to alt.rock-n-roll and alt.rock-n-roll.metal, asking if anyone would be interested in joining a private discussion list devoted to the imaginitive rock music of Blue Oyster Cult. I started getting responses within the hour. Anyway, a few months into the discussion, it occured to me that perhaps this discussion should be saved, for at least its entertainment (if not its informative :-) value. So I asked if anyone on the list had been archiving the discussions. I got several responses, but by far the most complete was from . He had practically all the posts from up until the end of November, and after that, I archived everything myself. There were a few interruptions in the archiving after that, like when I temporarily lost my net access, and had to get my friend Brian to archive everything for me. But relatively little, except for a brief period around December of 90 got lost. So, this archive is most of what was posted to the Blue Oyster Cult Discussion List, the Imaginitive Rock Discussion List, and BOC-L from September of 90 until November of 91. Some of it is very foot-in-the-mouth stuff, especially in light of how much more we now know about BOC's and Hawkwind's music and careers. Don't think too harshly of us. :-) Enjoy! -your former Humble Moderator :-) Steve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 09:10:10 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 90 22:05 EST Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"dworkin@Solbourne.COM" Welcome! You have just joined the Blue Oyster Cult Discussion Group, and your name and e-mail address have been added to the distribution list. Here's how you may partake in the discussion: Keyword What it does ----------- ------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE - Join the BOC Discussion List UNSUBSCRIBE - Leave the BOC Discussion List POST - Post an article (to be distributed) DISC - Get discography for (see below) LIST - Get a list of available files (see below) ADD - You contribute a file to the archive INTRO - * Get a file explaining what this group is HELP - Get this file More keywords may be added at a future date, especially if we start archiving other types of files, (i.e. lyrics, band info, etc...) * At the moment only 2 discographies (fairly complete) are available: BOC and Hawkwind. So the LIST command isn't very interesting. :-) Both discographies contain songlists, and it would be nice if any contributed ones did as well. :-) * If you read the post (9/22/90) on alt.rock-n-roll, then you have already read the INTRO file mentioned above. The way to use the above keywords: ---------------------------------- Send a letter to: v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet Make the "Subject:" line, or the first line of the body of the letter one of the above keywords. If it says anything other than "POST", that's all you need to do. The rest of the letter will be read by your humble moderator (i.e. me) but will go no further. The only messages that will go out from my account are ones that have POST as their Subject: or first line. These will be dist- ributed (mailed) to everyone who is currently subscribed to the list. Some people have inquired why I don't run this from my Unix account. The reason is simply that I need my Unix disk quota for academic stuff, while my VMS account isn't good for much except sending mail. :-) That's all from me. If this help file has failed to properly explain anything, feel free to send personal mail to me at my unix address: swann@acsu.Buffalo.Edu That's all! | "Speak to me in many voices; make | them all sound like one... " | - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 09:10:56 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 90 22:06 EST Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"dworkin@Solbourne.COM" OK, Your humble moderator is going to get things rolling by telling everybody what lyrics we have, and which ones we need. (Even though obviously, telling you one of those things is enough to let you figure out the other for yourself...) :-) Ok, courtesy of a fellow who calls himself "the jester" (he's not on the list right now, I'm hoping he'll join us at some point), we have the lyrics to the first 5 BOC albums: 1971? Blue Oyster Cult: all songs (except Screams) 1973 Tyrrany And Mutation: all songs (except Quicklime Girl) 1974 Secret Treaties: all songs 1976 Agents Of Fortune: all songs 1977 Spectres: all songs courtesy of a fellow named Tom Wilson, we have the lyrics to 1979 Mirrors: all songs 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus: Black Blade 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin: Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Joan Crawford As you can see, we are missing practically everything from Cultosaurus Erectus onward. Tom Wilson and I have endeavored to fill in the missing pieces, to some extent, (with mixed results). Here is what we have accomplished (lyrics are from "slightly" to "very" incomplete): 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus: Monsters 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin: Fire Of Unknown Origin Vengeance (The Pact) 1988 Imaginos: In The Presence Of Another World The Siege And Investiture Of etc.... Blue Oyster Cult Les Invisibles Magna Of Illusion If you would like to obtain the lyrics to the first 5 albums, we have already entered them into the lyrics server at Umass. (this will save me a huge amount of disk space). To use the lyric server, send a message with one line in the body of the message (the Subject: line can be anything, the lyric server ignores it). The one line message should be HELP no quotation marks, or other adornments. :-) Send it to this address: ------------------------ Lyrics@Umass.bitnet If we ever figure out the lyrics to the later albums, we'll be putting them on the lyric server as well. Ok, there's about 17 people on this list now, and we haven't even gotten the monday morning crowd in yet. :-) Let's get this moving... - HM (your Humble Moderator). >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 11:05:08 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 10:28 EST Subject: A note about the BOC list... To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hi, If any of you are having trouble getting mail to this silly bitnet address (v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet), try the following variation on it: v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu In other news, we might (I emphasize the -might-) be able to get this thing moved to the ubvms list server, which would do 2 good things: it would completely automate the process of re-distributing posts, and it would give us plenty of file space to archive stuff, which could be retrieved by simple commands (not unlike the ones I'm using now, as I modelled my system on the list server). I am trying to convince the ubvms postmaster to allow us to use the server. In the meanwhile, has everybody received the file "Welcome"? I'm not sure if it's gotten to everyone. That's all for now! - your Humble Moderator >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Sep 24 14:02:32 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 08:43 EST Subject: BOC Post To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Received: from JNET-DAEMON by UBVMS.BITNET; Mon, 24 Sep 90 07:38 EST Received: From UKACRL(MAILER) by UBVMSC with Jnet id 0931 for V061Q3X6@UBVMS; Mon, 24 Sep 90 07:38 EDT Received: from RL.IB by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer R2.03B) with BSMTP id 2053; Mon, 24 Sep 90 11:24:37 BST Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 11:19:45 BST From: Paul Mather Subject: POST: Discography Sender: Paul Mather To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET Reply-to: Paul Mather Message-id: <7922.9009241022@helios.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Via: UK.AC.BANGOR.SEES; 24 SEP 90 11:18:37 BST In-Reply-To: <2D7C8C4A581F602643@UBVMS.BITNET>; from "V061Q3X6@UBVMS.EARN" at Sep 23, 90 5:38 p Sent: Mon Sep 24 11:19:45 BST 1990 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] X-Envelope-to: V061Q3X6 > Would anyone be interested in a Moody Blues discography? It seems > to fit the genre of music we will be discussing. I wouldn't be that interested personally, but I would be in a BOC discography. I'd like to know which albums I'm missing (_Tyranny and Mutation_, _Spectres_ and _Club Ninja_ as far as I know). Or, asking the impossible, how about a Hawkwind one? Jeez, who can keep track of all those compilation albums?... Not me! :-) Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:44:36 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 90 19:29 EST Subject: Announcement To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hello people. Announcement time. Everybody listen up! We've got a list on the UBVMS list server now. For anybody who knows their VAX/Bitnet stuff, that means we have a list created called BOC-L. It would allow us to 1.) automatically re-distribute postings, and 2.) keep an archive from which people could fetch files by sending a request, MUCH the same as I'm doing it now from my account. The main difference would be that it would be completely automated. It might be a little more difficult to use for people who don't deal with e-mail a lot, but I'm pretty sure that everyone could get the hang of it pretty quick. The only catch, and I assume this isn't a big deal, is that to use the listserver, you have to "register" with it, i.e. give it your real name and e-mail adress. I already have those for 60% of the people on this list. The rest of you can register with it on your own if you want to use it. Ok. That's the end of announcement time. Now it's voting time. Who wants to use the listserver? I'm kind of enjoying running it out of my account, so don't feel obliged to vote for the bucket- of-bolts listerv machine because it would make my life easier. :-) All right? Everybody understand the issue? Good. Here's how to vote: send me a mail message that states clearly Vote: list yes Vote: list no Obviously, abstaining doesn't count as a vote either way. If the "Yes" votes win, we move this to the listserver. If the "No" votes win, I'll keep running it out of my account here, like we've been doing so far. If you have any questions, mail me. The polls are open from now until next Friday (10/5/90). We return now to our Imaginitive Rock discussion, already in progress... :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet * them all sound like one... " swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:47:57 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 90 09:32 EST Subject: Post: discography database To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu" "Desdinova" 27-SEP-1990 01:29:50.48 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: RE: Post: Request (Dio) Say... since there can't be a copyright put on lists, why don't we create a "Discography" server? We could create a big database of all the information possible for a particular band. We could index by Artist's names, song titles, band names, etc... Anyone game for this? I know the NeXT comes with a killer dbase system, I just don't know enough about it to do anything. [ Editor's Note: And do any of us -have- NeXT machines? :-) ] Jawaid Bazyar | Blondes in big black cars look better wearing Senior/Computer Engineering | their dark sunglasses at night. (unk. wierdo) jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | The gin, the gin, glows in the Dark! | (B O'Cult) >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:48:06 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 90 16:27 EST Subject: Post: Godzilla Live To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"LYON@SERVAX.BITNET" 26-SEP-1990 16:17:14.90 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST Just found an interesting [probable] rarity on a recent visit to Chicago. It's a promotional 12" single titled 'Godzilla Live'-- it has the studio version on one side, and a live version different >from the ones on Some Enchanted Evening and Extraterrestrial Live on the other. The live version, by the way, sounds better than the 'official' live versions on SEE & ETL, though it's rather short. I doubt any of these were officially sold, considering the somewhat cursory cover [a black and white photo of Godzilla on the front, nothing on the back] and the official "PROMOTIONAL COPY ONLY--NOT FOR RESALE" stamp. Has anyone else ever seen one of these? --T. Rev [not Dorothy Lyon] >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:48:27 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 90 12:16 EST Subject: Post: Request (Dio) To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hi folks, Your Humble Moderator here with a request. Will somebody who knows his stuff whip up a Ronnie Dio discography? To make it match the other discographies, please put in the following format: Hawkwind Discography, Rev.2 --------------------------- 1970 Hawkwind Hurry On Sundown single The Reason Is? tabs Be Yourself here Paranoia Part I and II Seeing It As You Really Are Mirror Of Illusion 1971 In Search Of Space [don't have songlist] and so forth..... By the way, we -do- have the songlist for In Search of Space, that was just intended as an illustrative example... :-) The bands that I know Dio has been in are: Elf Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow Black Sabbath Dio So, would some knowlegeable soul please do that? And remember, if everyone assumes that someone else will do it, then no one will do it. :-) Thanks! Steve >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:48:42 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 90 10:13 EST Subject: BOC Post To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"SNURMELA@FIRIEN.BITNET" "Sami Nurmela" 26-SEP-1990 08:24:58.23 To: v061q3x6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST On the subject of Hawkwind, my copy of "Sonic Attack" (RCA 1981) is a mis-pressing: the album has two A-sides! I mean, the labels are correct, "side A" on the other side, "side B" on another, but the music is same on both sides (songs from A-side). Has anybody else seen a similar copy ? How common is this ? The musical content of the album is not so good, but I miss the Mike Moorcock performance on side B :-( ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sami Nurmela 'And crawling - on the planets face Univ. of Turku, Finland some insects - called the human race SNURMELA@KONTU.UTU.FI lost in time - and lost in space NURMELA@CS.UTU.FI and in meaning' (the RHPS) >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 12:49:03 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 90 18:34 EST Subject: Post: Hawkwind discography To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.COM, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mlutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu" "Mike Borella" 25-SEP-1990 17:58:46.73 To: v061q3x6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: Post A Hawkwind discography? Well, I'll do the best I can from memory. I'll exclude compilations for now. If enough people are interested, I'll try to add them later, after I hit some NY record stores to refresh my memory. [ Editor's Note: What I did was take Mike's discography, merge it with mine, and give the result below. Note that the discographies I have on file here (the ones you can request with the DISC command) have songlists for 80% of the albums. ] Well, I missed a couple. I'll re-post ASAP with those, and any others that I remember. If anyone can help me out, please reply to my useird (to save space). Mike Borella [ Here's the result of the combined discographies ] Hawkwind Discography -------------------- 1970 Hawkwind 1971 In Search Of Space 1972 Doremi Fasol Latido '71-72? The Text Of Festival (live) [ Need Songlist ] 1973 Live '70/'73 (live) [ don't bother, lousy recording ] 1973 Space Ritual Alive (live) [ Need Songlist ] 1973 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (live) 1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time [ Need Songlist ] 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm 77/78? Friends And Relations - Hawkwind [ people associated with the band ] - Nik Turner's Inner City Unit (1982) - Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix (1982) 1978 PXR5 1978 Hawklords - 25 Years On [ Hawkwind before they were "Hawkwind" ] [ Need Songlist ] 1979 Hawkwind Live (live) 1980 Levitation 1982 Church Of Hawkwind 1982 Sonic Assassins [ Need Songlist ] 1984 Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (live) 1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1985 Live Chronicles (live) 1986 The Hawkwind Collection 1977 Out & Intake [ Need Songlist ] 1988 The Xenon Codex 1989 The Night Of The Hawk [ that's it... ] >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 17:31:58 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 16:40 EST Subject: Post: Bootlegs To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: SBUFVA::CHAN93 "Alvin M. Chan" 28-SEP-1990 11:33:40.91 To: UBVMS::V061Q3X6 CC: CHAN93 Subj: POST: Hawkwind (bootlegs) Does anyone know if there are any Hawkwind bootleg albums available, and if so, what album/tape/CD titles they are, and also if the name of the band was disguised on the jacket? (eg: there were some YES bootlegs that were labeled as some other bandname, but the picture on the cover showed the recognizable personnel) - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Fri Sep 28 17:32:23 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 17:06 EST Subject: Re: Announcement To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"dworkin@Solbourne.COM" Hiya Dworkin, >The main question is what happens the end of the term/quarter/academic >session and your account vaporizes. If it's not that sort of account, >I have no problem with you maintaining it there. If, however, it will >disappear at some point, putting on the list-server (with the increase >in available disk space) would be the better move. I agree that there are a lot of advantages to using the listserver, which is why I fought with our postmaster until he created a talk group for us. It's just that some people don't like dealing with automated machinery, and some people maybe even don't want to tell their real names. But it looks like we don't have any of those people in this group, because no one has objected yet. All votes have been either to use the server, or "do what's easier for you". But as for the problam of it disappearing with my account when I graduate, that could be easily gotten around. You see, all the "group" consists of is a mailing list, and a couple of discographies, which I could easily send to someone else's account, and they could continue it from there. But anyway, it's looking pretty strongly like we'll be going to the server, which for a short while WILL complicate our lives until we get used to it. :-) Steve >From uunet!EBay.Sun.COM!jhm Fri Sep 28 17:35:00 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 15:33:18 PDT From: uunet!EBay.Sun.COM!jhm ( The Lion of Symmetry ) To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, djoyce@u.washington.edu, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, jhm@EBay.Sun.COM, jsp@key.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, panther@athena.mit.edu, pell@isy.liu.se, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU Subject: Re: Post: Bootlegs I've never seen any Hawkwind boots, but then I've not seen many boots period. I think that someone from the UK would be a better source to ask, since Hawkwind is a big act over there, as opposed to being virtually unknown here in the US. Anyone know of any books about Hawkwind? Anyone written to one of the addresses on their albums? scorch >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Sat Sep 29 19:30:05 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 19:13 EST Subject: Announcement: List Server To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hello, people. Announcement Time Again! ------------------------ The name of our list is BOC-L, and the list server it's on is listserv@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu or just listserv@ubvms.bitnet, if you have a smart mailer. If anybody wants to register with it, go ahead, it's subscription access level is "open", so anyone can sign on and off as they please. But, for those who have no idea what I am talking about: It's Tutorial Time! ------------------- This message is specifically for people who DON'T understand List Servers. Anyone who already knows how to use them can discard this message. It's just a short tutorial on how to use the listserver, for people who want to try it out. First of all, take the listserv@...etc address above, and send a letter with the following commands in the BODY of the letter (because list servers ignore "Subject:" lines, and only pay attention to the body of the letter): HELP INFO REFCARD Those 2 commands will get you information on commonly used commands, such as: SUBscribe - Pretty obvious, I would say :-) REGister - You have to register with the list server before it will let uou SUBscribe to any of its lists. And many others... It will also tell you of any specific things which are peculiar to this list server, and make it different from others you may have used. By the way: In case it isn't obvious to anyone what the capitals are for, they indicate the "minimum acceptable" abbreviation neccessary for the list server to be able to recognise the command. Ok, so you get the help files. You read them. That still doesn't subscribe you to BOC-L. So what do you do? Send a letter to the same address: listserv@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu DON'T send it to BOC-L@anything.whatsoever! The BODY of the letter should contain the following commands: ------------------------------------------------------------- REG Me I. Myself SUB BOC-L Me I. Myself ------------------------------------------------------------- Obviously, you will 1.) NOT include the dotted lines! "--------------" ! 2.) Use your own name, not Me I. Myself :-) 3.) If you have non-standard characters in your name, such as some of our friends in Europe, the postmaster seems to think it would be best to leave them out. 4.) Send them in the same order as above! You must be registered with the list server before you can subscribe to anything. That's it, you're subscribed! I'll send more info later, such as how to actually USE the thing. For now though, until everyone is on the listserver, we'll continue to distribute through my account. In case this seems premature, given that the voting is due to continue for about another week, just let me say that it looks so far like there's no opposition to going to the list server, and plenty of good reasons to go ahead with it. And if we could get everyone registered on it by next week, it would be a trivial matter to actually make the switch. That's all for now! Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet * them all sound like one... " swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Sat Sep 29 19:41:02 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 90 19:17 EST Subject: Announcement Addendum. To: ws1x+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU, borellms@CLUTX.CLARKSON.EDU, stuarth@CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU, makila@FINSUN.CSC.FI, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, pell@ISY.LIU.SE, mccann@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU, p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, BILLY@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@SOLBOURNE.COM X-Vms-To: @REG Hello people! If you receive this message, this means that you are already registered with the listserv group BOC-L. You are among the people whose subscriptions contained enough info to enable the postmaster at UBVMS to register you directly. You will shortly be receiving a post which explains how to register with the list server, how to subscribe to this list, etc. You can read it if you are unfamiliar with list servers in general, or you can pretty much ignore it, as it is mostly intended for the people who aren't registered yet. If you have any questions, mail me. Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet * them all sound like one... " swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Mon Oct 1 09:28:43 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 11:04 EST Subject: Post: HW books. To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 1-OCT-1990 10:27:05.34 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST: Re: Post: Bootlegs (Dunno if I should be sending this to BOC-L or here? Anyway...) [ -Definitely- to here. BOC-L is up 'n running, but not many people are subscribed to it yet. - Steve ] > Anyone know of any books about Hawkwind? Anyone written to one of the > addresses on their albums? Do you mean bio/band info type stuff or HW fiction? I have (at last:) a copy of _The Time of the Hawklords_ which is part one of a proposed trilogy involving the HawkMythology. A friend of mine even has the second book too, _Queens of Deliria_. The third book, though promised, never appeared. However, I recently heard a rumour that this proposed final installment, _Ledge of Darkness_ is to surface---as a graphic novel instead. The first book (_tTotH_) was written by Michael Moorcock and Michael Butterworth. The remaining two were written by Butterworth alone. I can't recall the name of the artist on _Ledge of Darkness_ offhand. The two books written are very tongue in cheek. I can't comment on the third one as I haven't seen it. The first two were released in paperback by Star, and are very hard to find nowadays (mine is second hand). I can post more info if anyone wants it. As for bio/band info stuff, I can post the address of Zephyr HawkFrendz if anyone is interested. (The only thing I have from them is a collection of HW artwork under the name "The Xenon Codex" (which I enjoyed), so caveat emptor. :) BTW: They are a voluntary group, non-profit I believe.) Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:14:50 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 18:05 EST Subject: Post: Time Of The Hawklords To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG" 1-OCT-1990 16:43:23.46 To: ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6@rti.rti.ORG CC: Subj: POST Re: Time Of The Hawklords > > I have (at last:) a copy of _The Time of the Hawklords_ which is part > one of a proposed trilogy involving the HawkMythology. > > The first book (_tTotH_) was written by Michael Moorcock and Michael > Butterworth. The remaining two were written by Butterworth alone. > This is not meant as a flame or discouragement to any potential readers, and is only my honest opinion. That said... I read "The Time Of The Hawklords" about a year and a half ago, and I thought it was totally ridiculous. I borrowed it from the Pasadena (California) Public Library, since I - A) am a MAJOR Moorcock fan, and MM's name figured prominently on the cover B) am a MAJOR Motorhead fan, and there was a painting of Lemmy on the cover (didn't he play with Hawkwind at one time also?) I soon found out that Moorcock only served as a consultant to Butterworth, he didn't actually write the book. Believe me, it shows. If you love MM as I do, don't expect an Eternal Champion installment. The premise of the book (hippies/rock stars save the world from the evil straights with love and music) sounds kind of cheesy, but in the right hands could be a great story. Unfortunately, Butterworth fizzles on this one. The plot starts to plod early in the book, and never really picks up until the very end. His prose is boring and uninspired, and sounds a little too "yeah man, peace, love, wow" 60s-dated to be considered any better than trashy SF. I wouldn't try too hard to find this book. It's out of print for a logical reason, it really isn't that appealing. But for simple, light entertainment, you could do worse. Prepare for some boredom, though. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:17:41 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 19:21 EST Subject: Post: Hawkwind on CD To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu" "Mike Borella" 1-OCT-1990 19:15:51.26 To: v061q3x6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: Post There's a few Hawkwind CD's I haven't seen out yet, but I'm interested in. Perhaps someone knows how to get these discs and we can work something out? Responses to my e-mail address are welcome. [ editor's note: I'd like to know too, so please post! :-) ] Doremi Fasol Latido Warrior on the Edge of Time Friends & Relations Vols. I & III Choose Your Masques Church of Hawkwind Live CHronicles thanks, Mike >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:17:54 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 19:44 EST Subject: Post: Miscellaneous stuff To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC Hi folks, This is just some stuff that maybe people know, maybe they don't. Also, maybe they care, and maybe they don't. :-) So we'll call it BOC trivia. Did you know? ------------- 1.) I bet most of you already know this. The story told in the song Vengeance (The Pact) is taken from the movie Heavy Metal, the "Taarna" sequence (the last segment of the film. Taarna is the warrior woman who rides the giant bird). The story I heard as to why it wasn't used -in- the movie was that it told the 17 (?) minute Taarna story in 5 minutes. :-) 2.) The Imaginos recording sessions (which featured guitar work by Joe Satriani and Aldo Nova, among others) came up with something like 70 minutes of music. Imaginos is 55 minutes long. The extra material is apparently going to be released as part of an upcoming album (or maybe compilation?). 3.) The Bouchard Bros, (-opinion- time, nobody flame at me!) who are in my opinion the premier songwriters in the band, have pretty much permanently split. They haven't toured with BOC for ages (not since The Revolution By Night tour, in which I recall Joe Bouchard's bass solo as being the high point of the show). But apparently now the split is permanent. They have been seen touring as a band called "The Bouchard Brothers", (a friend of mine had a beer with them after their show here several months ago :-) Apparently they do a mix of their own material, and the songs that they wrote with BOC. This is somewhat interesting, as BOC performs very few songs that were written by them, now that they are gone. If anyone has seen their last few tours (I've seen them every show from Revolution By Night 'til now), you'll notice that they lean heavily on the early albums, even to the extent that on the so-called "Imaginos Tour" they didn't play one single song from Imaginos. Even though the front rows of the audience were chanting for Astronomy (yes I know it's orig- inally from Secret Treaties :-). The one thing I regret is that I didn't get one of those shirts: Blue Oyster Cult on tour Forever :-) 4.) This isn't strictly music, but we're all Moorcock fans, right? :-) Has anybody seen "Law And Chaos: The Stormbringer Animated Film Project"? It's a paperback book, published by Father Tree Press, Poughkeepsie, NY. It's dated 1987. It's a collection of still frames from an attempt by Wendy Pini (yeah, that's right, the woman who did "Elfquest") to do an animated film of Moorcock's Elric series. It comes complete with her notes on the musical score (all classical) that she had planned to back it with. Some of the art is really beautiful, although most of it is nowhere near complete. I thought her Moonglum and Zarozinia were espec- ially good. Moorcock himself, while approving of her project, felt that she somewhat over-romanticized the material. Never- theless, for anyone who really enjoyed the Elric books, this is a -very- nice addition. By the way, it never made it to film. She did it as art school thesis, and -seriously- misjudged the magnitude of the undertaking. So this book is likely the most we'll ever see of it. 5.) On the same note, a friend of mine met Eric Bloom in a local record store here about a year and a half ago, and he (Bloom) said that one of his goals when BOC was taking their next extended break was to get an animated Elric film underway, maybe with BOC music as an intro (though I don't think he was implying a soundtrack or anything like that was in the works). I wonder whether he was just idly speculating, or whether he has any real plans to pursue it? (-guess- which I think :-) Well, that's enough babbling and anecdotes for now. By the way, our BOC discography is pretty much complete, and our Hawkwind discography is just bloody HUGE... And I'm archiving lyrics now that the lyric server is apparently kaput. (legal problems I guess). I've got the lyrics to the albums I mentioned in the introdutory post "virtually" online. :-) What's THAT mean? It means I have 'em on my Amiga, and I need to upload them to this account. I am also going to sometime Real Soon [tm] type in the lyrics to most of the songs from Hawkwind's "Chronicle Of The Black Sword". Where'd I get those from, you ask? A friend of mine caught them on their (only?) American tour, and bought a program they had on sale, left over from the CotBS tour. It had lyrics for about 5 or 6 songs. So, like I said, they'll be online sometime in the near future. That's all for now - Steve (your Humble Moderator :-) >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 00:21:43 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 21:31 EST Subject: Post To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: SBUFVA::CHAN93 "Alvin M. Chan" 1-OCT-1990 21:12:49.06 To: UBVMS::V061Q3X6 CC: CHAN93 Subj: Post: Moorcock; Art Hi, Since our moderator brought up the topic of Michael Moorcock and related artwork, I'd thought I'd say a few words too. A couple years ago, (when I had money burning in my pockets!), I collected a small amount of comic books. Among these were some nice looking renditions of some of the Eternal Champions : Elric, Hawkmoon, Corum. (There may be others too.) Each novel is broken up in to a number of parts where each part is a separate comic book. The covers of some of these were especially nice looking (eg: the Hawkmoon cover of The Sword of the Dawn pt 3) The quality of the colorwork is a lot better than your average 'Punisher' or 'Spiderman' type comic book also, the colors are solid, and there are a lot of hues (not the cheesy 'dot' format, kindergarten-like splash overs!) these are published by First Comics. I think I've seen the graphic novel format of each book also (Elric). What I would like to see is someone like Druillet draw some of the Moorcock novels (maybe too late due to copyrights etc..) Druillet's renditions of battles are pretty fantasy-fantastic. - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 14:00:12 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 90 10:12 EST Subject: Post: Time Of The Hawklords To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 2-OCT-1990 08:23:03.83 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: RE: Post: Time Of The Hawklords Ron Rader, jr writes: > This is not meant as a flame or discouragement to any potential readers, > and is only my honest opinion. That said... Likewise... :-) > I read "The Time Of The Hawklords" about a year and a half ago, and > I thought it was totally ridiculous. I borrowed it from the Pasadena > (California) Public Library, since I - > > A) am a MAJOR Moorcock fan, and MM's name figured prominently on the cover > B) am a MAJOR Motorhead fan, and there was a painting of Lemmy on the > cover (didn't he play with Hawkwind at one time also?) Yes, this is true. Check out the Kilminster tracks on _Doremi Fasol Latido_ (The Watcher) and _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ (Lost Johnny) that appeared on the debut Motorhead album to hear them in their original Hawkwind form. And of course there's always "Motorhead" that surfaced as a single and on the _Independent Days_ 10" Mini LP. I dig Motorhead too. > I soon found out that Moorcock only served as a consultant to Butterworth, > he didn't actually write the book. Believe me, it shows. If you love MM > as I do, don't expect an Eternal Champion installment. Even though the eternal champion does crop up in the books... :-) To be fair, in my original message I did say "The two books written are very tongue in cheek." Perhaps I should have said "The two books written are *VERY* tongue in cheek (warning! warning! there is danger Will Robinson!)." And remember, you only read a third of the full story. Hey, from what I remember, Cap'n Bob hadn't even appeared in the first book! > I wouldn't try too hard to find this book. It's out of print for a > logical reason, it really isn't that appealing. But for simple, light > entertainment, you could do worse. Prepare for some boredom, though. I found the two books a very quick read (too quick a read to be boring:). As you say, if you are expecting anything serious then forget it! I read it as humour (but I'd been primed to expect that beforehand). As such, I enjoyed the books. One of the reasons I mentioned the books in the first place was that they *are* rare... Hey Ron, you're not an agent of the Death Generator by any chance? ;-) All the best, Paul. >From uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Tue Oct 2 14:01:07 1990 Return-Path: From: uunet!ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 90 10:17 EST Subject: Re: Post: Hawkwind on CD To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, djoyce@u.washington.edu, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 2-OCT-1990 08:23:08.10 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: RE: Post: Hawkwind on CD Mike Borella writes: > There's a few Hawkwind CD's I haven't seen out yet, but I'm interested in. > Perhaps someone knows how to get these discs and we can work something out? > Responses to my e-mail address are welcome. [...] > Warrior on the Edge of Time If it's any help to you, _WotEoT_ was one of the first HW CDs I ever saw. > Choose Your Masques I have found this impossible to get, even on vinyl!!! (The only copy I have is a pretty scratchy one taped off a record library album.) > Live CHronicles I think I've seen this in the shops too. Since I don't own one of THOSE things (:-)), I don't pay too much attention to what's available on CD. Cheers, Paul. >From ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 09:09:14 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 15:09:27 PDT From: ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM ( The Lion of Symmetry ) To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, jhm@EBay.Sun.COM, jsp@key.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, panther@athena.mit.edu, pell@isy.liu.se, raven@rpi.EDU, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU Subject: Re: HW Post: New album! Wow. Hawkwind with female vocals... hard to imagine. Glad to see Simon House back, I always loved what his violin added to the overall sound, perhaps the band's style will drift towards what it was when he was in before. Damm shame Calvert's dead... scorch >From ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 09:09:57 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 18:20 EST From: ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HW Post: RE: New album To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"jhm@EBay.Sun.COM" 3-OCT-1990 18:14:29.91 To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dwork CC: Subj: RE: HW Post: New album! Wow. Hawkwind with female vocals... hard to imagine. Glad to see Simon House back, I always loved what his violin added to the overall sound, perhaps the band's style will drift towards what it was when he was in before. Damm shame Calvert's dead... scorch >From ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM Thu Oct 4 09:10:08 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 15:27:29 PDT From: ico.isc.com!jhm@EBay.Sun.COM ( The Lion of Symmetry ) To: BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, jhm@EBay.Sun.COM, jsp@key.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, panther@athena.mit.edu, pell@isy.liu.se, raven@rpi.EDU, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU Subject: Bedrock (was Re: HW Post: New album!) Does anyone know if, where and when this is shown, especially in the San Francisco area? Muchas danke scorch >From ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 09:10:36 1990 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 17:54 EST From: ico.isc.com!V061Q3X6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: HW Post: New album! To: stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au, SMC@liverpool.ac.uk, makila@finsun.CSC.FI, pell@isy.liu.se, mccann@plains.nodak.EDU, gt6912b@prism.gatech.edu, borellms@clutx.clarkson.edu, panther@athena.mit.edu, p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk, jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, ws1x+@andrew.cmu.EDU, wilson%ucf.edu@RELAY.CS.NET, dcw11111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, BILLY@vaxb.acs.unt.EDU, dworkin@Solbourne.COM, BEN@SPCVXA.BITNET, snurmela@FIRIEN.BITNET, wruby@mipos2.intel.COM, ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.EDU, mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.COM, lutanist@EBay.Sun.COM, Wingnut@cup.portal.COM, smr@beach.cis.ufl.EDU, MIVIRTANEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, jsp@key.COM, LYON@SERVAX.BITNET, rlr%bbt@rti.rti.ORG, mwm@swlvx2.msd.ray.COM, mfig_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.EDU, jhm@Ebay.Sun.COM, freeman@eola.cs.ucf.EDU, raven@rpi.EDU, skh%hpclskh@hplabs.hpl.hp.COM X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: dworkin@Solbourne.COM X-Vms-To: @BOC From: IN%"mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk" "Paul Mather" 2-OCT-1990 20:51:06.40 To: V061Q3X6@UBVMS.BITNET CC: Subj: POST: Last minute addition to Hawkwind discography... Just this lunchtime I came across a new Hawkwind album when browsing the record stores. What's more, this is a NEW new album, not a compilation album! Unfortunately, I didn't have any cash on me so I couldn't buy it. :-( However, I did have a pen on me, so I jotted down what was on it. The relevant info is: 1990 Space Bandits Images Black Elk Speaks Wings Out Of The Shadows Realms Ship Of Dreams T.V. Suicide The album is on GWR records. Band credits are (approximately): Bridgett Wishart (vocals) Dave Brock (guitars, vocals) Alan Davey (bass, vocals) Harvey Bainbridge (keyboards) Simon House (violin) Richard Chadwick (drums, percussion) If anyone caught the HW gig shown as part of the "Bedrock" series on ITV, this lineup will be familiar. (For those of you who don't know, "Bedrock" is a televised series of rock concerts filmed by Granada(?) TV and shown, usually in the dead of night, by the ITV companies. Most of the bands I've seen on the series are seventies bands.) I haven't heard the album, so I don't like to pass comment, but I must confess I'm not too pleased to see Bridgett Wishart on vocals. If it is indeed the same woman that did a fair bit of the vocals on the "Bedrock" concert, then her singing is pretty dismal (IMHO). But then again, that was live. Perhaps she's better in the studio... There were a number of tracks on the "Bedrock" concert which I hadn't heard before. I suppose that these were new material from the new album. If that is the case, they sounded nice to these ears, and the whole concert was pretty up-tempo at that. However, I did think that Simon House took a little something from the band, except on those tracks written with him in mind (e.g. the old _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ stuff). Personally, I'd rather have a second guitarist than a violin player trying to fill in for one. The overall sound tended to be a little "thin" and suffered slightly as a result (come back Huw...). But that's just my opinion... All the best, Paul. PS: Some of the proceeds off the album are to go to the RSPB. >From ico.isc.com!swann%ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 10:50:15 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 10:25:09 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: stephen swann Subject: testing testing X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller Ping! :-) >From ico.isc.com!mbraun%URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 4 10:51:08 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 09:40:33 CDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Matthew Braun Subject: Re: testing testing X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010041426.AA05096@urbana.mcd.mot.com>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 4, 90 10:25 am > Ping! Sure is! Have you had much problem with mail bouncing back to you, other than yesterday? Yesterday, ya see, we had a power outage at this here Mot' site. (Me'n'another guy played backgammon throughout the duration. :-) ) The power was on and off for about 5 minutes, then went out for almost 1 hour. Even when the power did come back, it was very unstable, so we just kept all of the machines off for a good long while. They were turned on sometime last night, or early this morning. Have you had other problems sending mail to me, though? I've had one or two other people say that they've had problems, and I'd like to know just how widespread the problem is, so I can get someone here to take care of it. m@ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Thu Oct 4 21:46:13 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 90 10:14:15 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: New Elric story X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010041425.AA20347@lynx>; from "stephen swann" at Oct 4, 90 10:25 am Steve, I was in the local bookshop yesterday and saw a new Elric book called "The City of the Pearl" (this maybe old news to you but I don't get to the bookshop all that often). Have you read it? Is it worth getting? Stu +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Thu Oct 4 21:46:22 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 20:34:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Attention please! To: Dieter Muller Hi folks, This message is to draw your attention to the return address on this message. Those of you who are familiar with List Servers will not be surprized. To the rest of you: This is from the Listserver, our new setup for the discussion group. Please, when you're sending personal mail, look at the address on the letter before you hit "Reply"! That goes especially for you, m@ 'n' Stu! :-) :-) :-) Everyone please take note - I'm in the process of signing everyone onto the server, hopefully I'll be done by the weekend, and we can start using the server. The address, I believe, is: boc-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu ok? So be careful about those hair-trigger "reply" responses, guys! Thanks :-) Steve, your Humble Moderator >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Sat Oct 6 19:33:52 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 90 18:31:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: INTRO To: Dieter Muller Hello! Since new people are subscribing to the list directly on the list server, I am going to post this once in a while, until I get around to setting up some sort of automatic INTRO file for people who sign up. Are any of you sufficiently knowledgeable Bitnet hacks to tell me how to do that? I have other things I'd like to set up, like making the stuff listed below available directly through the list server. So if anyone could help with that, I'd appreciate it. First of all: Here's what's available from the Imaginitive Rock Discussion Group This list last revised: 10/6/90 ------------------------------- How to fetch them... Make the subject line of a letter: DISC or, LYRICS and send it to: v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu or v061q3x6@ubvms.bitnet Any understandable abbreviation of or is acceptable. i.e. "DISC BOC", or "LYRICS Tyrr & Mut". Lyrics must be fetched by entire album. "DISC *", or "LYRICS *" are acceptable, but be warned that it will cause a deluge of mail. :-) Discographies: -------------- BOC [essentially complete] Hawkwind [getting there] Rainbow [somewhat incomplete] Lyrics: ------- 1971 Blue Oyster Cult [all songs] 1973 Tyranny And Mutation all except: Mistress Of The Salmon Salts [slightly incomplete] 1974 Secret Treaties [all songs] 1976 Agents Of Fortune [all songs] 1977 Spectres [all songs] 1979 Mirrors [all songs] 1980 Cultosaurus Erectus Black Blade Monsters Divine Wind [slightly incomplete] Deadline [slightly incomplete] Unknown Tongue 1981 Fire Of Unknown Origin Fire Of Unknown Origin Burnin' For You Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Vengeance (The Pact) Joan Crawford 1988 Imaginos I Am The One You Warned Me Of [incomplete] Les Invisibles [incomplete] In The Presence Of Another World The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria [incomplete] Astronomy Magna Of Illusion [almost complete] Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos [incomplete] Coming Attractions: Lyrics to The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Dio discography ------------------------------------------ End of list. Now, here's a couple of other things: if you want to -contribute- something (lyrics, discographies, etc. That's how we got all the stuff we have available now!), then mail it to the same (v061q3x6) address, and make the "Subject:" line "ADD". We're especially in need of people who are good at figuring out lyrics. About a half dozen of us have been filling in the gaps in the albums listed above. If you think you can help, get in touch with me by mail. Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Thu Oct 11 13:05:21 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 12:22:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Opinions, opinions, opinions... To: Dieter Muller Hi. Ok, you folks have gotten a little listless lately, so I'm going to try and stir up the mud. I promised when we started this group, that it would be for the exchange of ideas and opinions as well as for disseminating info like lyrics and discographies and such. So, here are a couple of my innumerable opinions: I'd like to make a plug here for what I think is the most overlooked BOC album: Mirrors. All the "old guard" BOC fans have all the early albums, and all the neuveau fans have all the later albums, and Mirrors got left alone in the middle. It's a great album. The Vigil and I Am The Storm stand with the very best material the group has ever done. In Thee is the -only- Alan lanier song that I like, and I think it's a finely written and beautifully performed "soft rock" ballad (Buck's guitar work on it is superb). Moon Crazy is the closest thing to a great dance tune that the group has ever written (they didn't write Dancing In the Ruins). It has a just about unstoppable rythm, which ISN'T by any stretch what I normally look for in a BOC song, but this one, (like all their ventures into other forms of music), brings interest and inventiveness to the genre. The Great Sun Jester is another of their finest works: mellow, but extremely well done, and interesting in concept. The guitar work is (need I even say it) superb. Like any other BOC album, rest assured that others aren't just filler either. Here's another plug: have any of you ever heard "Sign Of The Gypsy Queen", by April Wine? (it's a song, not an album). April Wine is normally a sort of staightforward hard pop group, but on that one song, they out-BOC'd a lot of BOC. :-) If you haven't heard it, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend that you track it down. It's available on an album called "The Nature Of The Beast" (the rest of the album is above-average quality hard rock). People in Europe may -never- find it, sorry. :-) Has anyone heard Dio's new one "Lock Up The Wolves" I think it's called? I'd like to hear an intelligent review of it's merits and/or failings. The Hawkwind discography from Hell is apparently "almost" available. We're talking album catalog numbers, group members, and song playing times. Definitely for psychotic, drooling Hawkwind "Chrononauts" only. :-) The way to request it when it arrives will be DISC HAWKWIND.INSANE That's all for now. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!KGSAW%ASUACAD.BITNET Thu Oct 11 15:03:37 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:20:16 MST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Adriana Akiaten Subject: Badfinger info To: Dieter Muller Anyone know what's the latest on Badfinger (i.e. recent releases on old stuff). Also -- any discographies for somewhere?? Thanks in advance... >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ccmnate%BULLWINKLE.UCDAVIS.EDU Thu Oct 11 15:04:18 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 11:39:07 PDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: The Jester Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller >I'd like to make a plug here for what I think is the most overlooked BOC >album: Mirrors. All the "old guard" BOC fans have all the early albums, >and all the neuveau fans have all the later albums, and Mirrors got left >alone in the middle. Oh, well I guess that puts me in a unique classification...I seem to be a "neuveau fan" by age...but am "old guard" fan by taste....:) To be honest, I don't think there is a BOC album that I *don't* like. Yeah, sure I like some better than others...but that's normal. >It's a great album. Yeah....It's *my* favorite BOC album. >Comments on the album deleted for space for my long-windedness....:) Here's MY opinions on the subject: Moon Crazy: This song is FUN! When I am bored...or listless...or just haven't anything to do...I pick up my guitar and put this song on. Now...of course I don't play what they are playing... its much more fun to just noodle along and get a little bit sweaty...:) You're Not The One (I was looking for): There is a part in the song with the line: "All of those fancy ladies oh, they could talk, and talk." Which is followed by a squeaky babble kinda noise...which is actually the Lord's prayer sped up many times. An interesting comparison. Someone in the group has a good sense of humor...:) The Great Sun Jester: The first of three songs that feature Mr. Micheal Moorcock's prose for the lyrics. Based on a character called the "Fire Clown"...? I think it was one of his earlier books. The Vigil: hmmm...I don't want to compare these guys to Yes or Genesis, but this song's structure reminds me of an almost "Progressive Rock" kind of thing. Distinct sections that correspond to changes in lyric style. Any comments? This album, as a whole, seems to me to be a step in a new direction. The "sound" of it is different. Here is an excerpt from a concert program...Cultosaurus tour. "Just as before, this *live* album [Some Enchanted Eve.] marked a punctuation in the BOC saga, time for a change, time to reconsider their position in rock's hierarchy as the last days of the 1970's trickled away. "Change with a capitol C," was how Eric Bloom described what must have been among the most crucial decisions BOC ever made, as Tom Werman (credits: Cheap Trick, Ted Nugent, Molly Hatchet) was brought in to produce BOC's eighth album for Columbia. "Mirrors" was also the first album recorded in California for the label, and followed the pattern of individual contributions by each member. "It was just a question of trying to go in and make another album and have it seem *fresh*," Eric said at the time, "not just going into the same studio again with the same people- it was starting to seem *old*...We wanted to have different production a few albums ago but one thing led to another and we didn't. It was the band's fault we didn't get on it soon enough because we were too busy, and we could never ever get it together to make it happen. But with "Mirrors" we said 'Well, we really feel now is the time to go for a different producer'." I, personally, am glad that they made the change. This album is, to me, the natural direction for them to go. There is still a hint of the "old" BOC here...subject matter, the innovative things they do with standard rock ideom, and (happily) they STILL don't fall back on any style. Every song on the album is different. No resting on the laurels here. >Here's another plug: have any of you ever heard "Sign Of The Gypsy Queen", >by April Wine? (it's a song, not an album). April Wine is normally a sort >of staightforward hard pop group, but on that one song, they out-BOC'd >a lot of BOC. :-) Yep. I've heard this song. Great song...I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it. But now I think I'm gonna have it in my head for the rest of the day. >The Hawkwind discography from Hell is apparently "almost" available. Never having been introduced to Hawkwind before, I don't know what to expect from any of their albums. What albums would be a good intro to them? The Jester "Sir Rastus Bear who'd ever believe? ccmnate@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu You'd be by a song, redeemed." >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!philn%HPRMOKG.ROSE.HP.COM Thu Oct 11 15:06:36 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 12:25:49 PDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Phil Nielsen Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010111622.AA20326@hp-sde.sde.hp.com>; from "BOC-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 11, 90 12:22 (noon) > Ok, you folks have gotten a little listless lately, I beg to differ, I think I'm on EVERYBODY'S list... > ...overlooked BOC album: Mirrors <--- was the pun intended? :^) Mirrors: Mirrors is different than the "early guard" stuff, and is very different than Cultosaurus. However, when it came out, it seemed like one of two logical directions for BOC to go after Spectres. What I like about Mirrors: I don't know when all the Mirrors stuff was actually written, but it sounds like a number of tunes were saved for such and album. (OPINION ALERT) If this is the case, it was a good idea; being one of the "old guard" (the "over-thirty" crowd, to borrow from Ian Anderson), I always liked the way the early Cult albums kept to a flowing "dark" theme (listen to side 2 of Secret Treaties or Tyranny and Mutation). It would certainly seem inappropriate to mix "Doctor Music" with the likes of "Flaming Telepaths or "Baby Ice Dog." Mirrors is not as deeply "Cultish (?)" as the other albums. It can soothe the savage beast, and it shows talents of the band members not usually found other than in concert. As a matter of fact, the Mirrors tour provided some good new material to "get the crowd into it" before plunging into the depths of classic Cult (sounds like a soft drink). As far as "dance music" goes, anyone who remembers the live "Buck's Boogie" and "I Ain't Got You" jams knows that BOC could play just about anything, and play it well! What I DIDN'T like about mirrors (note that "DIDN'T" is past-tense; I have developed an appreciation for it over the years): It scared me: being one of the "old guard," I thought we had lost one cool band and concept. At first, some of the lyrics seemed superficial by comparison to the classic stuff (ie: "Subhuman", "O.D'd On Life Itself"). It didn't have that mystical feeling. But then, they were the band, I was the audience, and maybe we both needed a brief change. My fears of losing the old BOC were releived during the Mirrors tour (same hard-driving concert band, a daytime concert at Cal Expo, Sacramento) and then when Cultosaurus came out. If I want to listen to some "milder" Cult, I listen to Mirrors (gee, I wonder why it doesn't crackle as much as the other albums :-). (MAJOR OPINION ALERT) Now for MY all time favorite (and under-rated Cult tune): O.D.'d On Life Itself. I've never heard this one live |-(, but the very subtle lead vocal, the lyric content, and the tune make this (IMVHO) the coolest Cult tune. Maybe I like it because it is subtle, as opposed to making an obvious display of "darkness" (ie. "Highway to Hell"). Okay, how about some other Cult favorites, and why (there is no right or wrong, just appreciation). Phil (I said "Baby, that's the breaks...") Nielsen >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!LYON%SERVAX.BITNET Thu Oct 11 18:52:11 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 17:30:19 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: DOROTHY=LYON Subject: Notes & Stuff To: Dieter Muller Some random stuff follows: 1) Just a correction about the Bouchard brothers--Albert left the band before The Revolution by Night came out, but Joe was with them as recently as last May when I saw them in Ft. Lauderdale. [As usual, they shredded.] It's a pity to hear Joe's left the band too; while I don't necessarily think they were the best songwriters in the band [Buck wrote Godzilla and Last Days of May, f'rinstance], I think they were the most important ingredient in the *sound* of the band. What set BOC apart even at their heaviest was that they never became 'sludgy', and that was mostly the Bouchard brothers' jazz influences keeping the mixture open. Listen to 'Teen Archer' to get the clearest example of the rhythm turning what could have been a straightforward, grinding HM song into a manic jazz-thrash attack. What I really find a pity is that no band since then has really seemed to use that approach--every other time I've heard jazz influences in pop music, it's always *mellow* stuff [which I can't stand :-)]. The only exception to that were the Minutemen [and, I suppose, their successors fIREHOSE.], who claimed to be influenced by BOC and Parliament of Funk in roughly equal measure. After Albert left the group, the synth became a lot more noticeable on the band's albums. This, IMHO, worked on _Revolution..._, and did NOT work on _Club Ninja_. It seems as if they started adding more synthesizers to replace the dexterity they'd lost in the rhythm section. Of course, Albert was back for _Imaginos_--it was his project, after all-- and the result was almost as if _Imaginos_ was produced by a BOC that had never made _Mirrors_, or even _Agents of Fortune_, but had continued in a straight line from _Secret Treaties_ for another fifteen years. Very interesting. Does anyone have any concrete information on upcoming BOC stuff, with _Imaginos_ outtakes or without? Speaking of Imaginos, I find it a pity that they never made any videos from it. Before you start throwing rocks, consider that some of the songs ['Astronomy', 'Blue Oyster Cult', 'The Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Wesseria'] are actually *suited* to short-film type videos, unlike most of the piffle shown on MTV; and considering the bad videos BOC *has* made, something *intersting* might have done quite a bit to increase their current popularity. But probably not, I guess, and I hear there's some kind of legal wrangling over the record anyway. Has anyone heard anything on that affair? Well, didn't expect the message to get this long, so I'll stop now. T. Rev >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Thu Oct 11 19:43:19 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 10:21:40 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010111622.AA19920@lynx>; from "V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 11, 90 12:22 pm V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu says: > > [stuff deleted...] > > The Hawkwind discography from Hell is apparently "almost" available. > We're talking album catalog numbers, group members, and song playing times. > Definitely for psychotic, drooling Hawkwind "Chrononauts" only. :-) > The way to request it when it arrives will be > DISC HAWKWIND.INSANE > Speaking of Hawkwind discographies - I'd like to replace my vinyl Hawkwind collection with CD's but I can't afford to do it too quickly so I thought I'd start with a "collection" CD or two. Trouble is, I've heard that the sound quality on some of the collection CD's is not good. Is this true? What Hawkwind collection CD would you recommend? Stuart +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ws1x+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU Thu Oct 11 19:52:25 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 21:22:33 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller OK, I'll bite. More favorite BOC tunes..... (I haven't posted since my less than enthusiastic received survey of interest for a Moody Blues discography. So I guess it's time to post again.) I would have to say that my favorite BOC tune is the "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" from ETL. I don't know what it is about that tune, but it does it for me every time. Could be just the nostalgia of the tune itself. I've liked BOC ever since I heard (Don't Fear) The Reaper back in '76. I remember that I was in a Boy Scout troop and one of the Assistant Scoutmasters was around 22. He always told us that the best BOC was on the first two albums. Well, being an impressionable 12 years old at the time, not to mention shocked that I never heard any of the old stuff, I was hooked from there. I didn't catch them in concert until the "Revolution By Night" tour. And yes, I was sadly disappointed that they didn't play "Veteran..." However, I loved the show despite this. At the time, I really enjoyed "Shooting Sharks" and "Take Me Away", and the special effects were the best I'd ever seen (limited concert-goer). The only song I remember from the first two albums was "Cities on Flame", a staple tune they always play. They also played "Astronomy", "Roadhouse Blues", "ETI", etc.---i.e. their major tunes. What's the concensus on the "Revolution..." album? I kinda liked it, and as I recall, the reviewer in Stereo Review gave it high marks---may be a first for BOC. That reminds me---how well was "Imaginos" received on the market? I thought it was their best album since "Fire of...", but was unsure about the awareness of the album. It was out for about a year before some of my friends had heard about it. I picked it up as it came out. I was in awe as I listened to it the first time. That'll do it for now, marty schwartz cmu***pittsburgh GO BUCS!!! >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!ws1x+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU Thu Oct 11 19:53:41 1990 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 90 21:31:56 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "W. Martin Schwartz" Subject: Re: BOC Post: Guest performers on Imaginos X-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List To: Dieter Muller Kenny Aaronson was mentioned in the post about guest performers. He was a member of Dust, but I think they were mostly an EARLY seventies band (not late). I have one of their albums, "Hard Attack". At the time, I picked it up for $1.50, mainly for the album cover! Aaronson was also the "A" in HSAS (Hagar Schon Aaronson Strieve). They had one album in the early 80's. Later, marty >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Fri Oct 12 09:48:54 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 15:46:23 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Hawkwind X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010120537.AA25227@lynx>; from "Dieter Muller" at Oct 11, 90 7:50 pm Dieter Muller says: > > All right, everyone seems to be raving about Hawkwind. This makes me > wonder, though, if the one album of theirs that I've been able to find > is representative or not. Specifically, I have _Acid Daze Volume I_, > released in 1985. The song list on it: > I'm not sure what representative is when it comes to HW. To me the look and feel (sound and feel ?) of the albums: _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ _Quark, Strangeness, and Charm_ _25 Years On_ _Levitation_ is completely different for each album. Maybe it has something to do with the band line-up at the time and the song writing responsibilities. BTW How's the recording quality on _Acid Daze_ ? Stuart. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet : stuarth@csis.dit.csiro.au | | | Voice : +61-6-2750941 | _--_|\ | | Fax : +61-6-2571052 | / \ | | Physical : CSIRO Division of Information Technology, | \_.--._/ | | GPO Box 664, Canberra ACT 2601 | v | | AUSTRALIA | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!CHAN93%SNYBUFVA.BITNET Fri Oct 12 09:49:28 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 03:55:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: "Alvin M. Chan" Subject: SONG LIST ON ACID DAZE VOL 1 To: Dieter Muller >From: Dieter Muller ..... >All right, everyone seems to be raving about Hawkwind. This makes me >wonder, though, if the one album of theirs that I've been able to find >is representative or not. Specifically, I have _Acid Daze Volume I_, >released in 1985. The song list on it: > > High Rise > British Tribal Music > Spirit Of The Age > Urban Guerilla > Masters Of The Universe > World Of Tiers > Who's Gonna Win The War > Ghost Dance This is the same song list as on "Hawkwind Anthology Vol.I 1977-1982" put out on Samurai records (SAMR 038). I consider this song selection to be your basic 'ordinary' Hawkwind music. That is if you can consider any of their music to be ordinary! They've put out some really off the wall recordings. "Text of Festival, Hawkwind live 1970-72" is truly an acid daze so to speak. Live material with long improvisational jams with weird repetitive, guttural chants, moans, mutations of sentence fragments that are enough to melt the brain. On the other end of the scale besides their ultra-clean-polished, synthesized recordings like "The Xenon Codex", are the heavier live recordings. An example of this is the album "Ridicule". It can be best described as Pink Floyd gone heavy metal! The song 'Brainstorm' is a good example. Heavy guitars, and drums that sound like they're being played by robots at warp seven. How the drummer(s?) can keep that tempo up throughout these songs without their arms falling off is beyond me! - Alv _________________________________________________________________________ // Alvin M. Chan Buffalo State College //\ // Information Systems Management BITNET == CHAN93@snybufva.BITNET // \ // (Are there jobs in this?!?!?!) DECNET == 5122::CHAN93 // / //______________________________________________________________________// / \\ .. . . . . . . . . . . \\ / \\______________________________________________________________________\\/ >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Fri Oct 12 09:55:09 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 08:59:34 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Moody Blues X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010120125.AA00694@rtifs2.rti.org>; from "W. Martin Schwartz" at Oct 11, 90 9:22 pm I haven't posted to the list since I got onto the listserver, so to be honest, I'm sort of unfamiliar with the listserver process. Hopefully 'R'eplying will get back to the BOC-L list (the header indicates this is so). So here goes... > > (I haven't posted since my less than enthusiastic received > survey of interest for a Moody Blues discography. So I guess > it's time to post again.) > > marty schwartz > Actually Marty, I'd be enthusiastic about adding a Moody Blues discography to the list. I really like the old stuff, but I have no actual albums. So I'd appreciate having a guide to future MB CD purchases (those puppies get EXPENSIVE). The Moody Blues seem like a natural for the Imaginative blah blah List. At least the second incarnation, between the original R & B (which I still enjoy) and the more current pop-py stuff (my jury is out). I'd rather not waste my time with anthologies and greatest hits albums, since I've always been of the opinion that Moody Blues albums must be taken as a whole. So whattaya say, BOC-L folks? Count my YES vote on compiling info on the Moody Blues! And while we're at it, any other suggestions for additions to the list? How about Black Sabbath? I realize BS is usually considered standard Heavy Metal (it is actually ORIGINAL Heavy Metal, a big difference) as opposed to pure progressive rock, but I consider it to be in that excellent "progressive rock/blues" category. Fantasy images do crop up now and again in the non-Dio Black Sabbath. I'd even be willing to contribute my knowledge for this effort (please realize that my List-reading time is limited, this is my job you know, so I can't spend ALL my time entering the lyrics for "Tomorrow's Dream"). Any takers? Any opinions? -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!rlr%bbt%RTI.RTI.ORG Fri Oct 12 09:56:04 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 09:31:00 EDT Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: rader Subject: Moorcock-inspired Comic Books X-To: UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L@rti.rti.org To: Dieter Muller (regarding Michael Moorcock-inspired works...) > > A couple years ago, (when I had money burning in my pockets!), I > collected a small amount of comic books. Among these were some nice looking > renditions of some of the Eternal Champions : Elric, Hawkmoon, Corum. > (There may be others too.) > > these are published by First Comics. > > I think I've seen the graphic novel format of each book also (Elric). > It's been some time since this circulated, but better late than never, right? Around 1985 or 1986, the original comics adaptations of the first Elric novel appeared, complete with P. Craig Russel's absolutely stunning artwork. These were published by Pacific Comics, which doesn't exist any longer, so these are out of print. I don't know if First bought the rights to publish these books or not. However, if you love Moorcock and Elric as I do, you would definitely find it worthwhile to track these down. I don't have a current Overstreet with me, so I don't really know how much they're worth. Try a local comics convention or specialty shop. First Comics was supposed to continue adapting Moorcock's works after the then-current adaptations were finished. That was a year ago or so, and I haven't seen any new Moorcock comics since. -- ron rader, jr rlr%bbt@rti.rti.org = Opinions are my own and do not | | i gotta six- rlr%bbt$rti.rti.org@CUNYVM = necessarily reflect those of | | pack, & nothin' to do ...!mcnc!rti!bbt!rlr = BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Fri Oct 12 10:02:10 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 11:19:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: SONG LIST ON ACID DAZE VOL 1 To: Dieter Muller >>From: Dieter Muller ..... >>All right, everyone seems to be raving about Hawkwind. This makes me >>wonder, though, if the one album of theirs that I've been able to find >>is representative or not. Specifically, I have _Acid Daze Volume I_, >>released in 1985. The song list on it: >> >> High Rise >> British Tribal Music >> Spirit Of The Age >> Urban Guerilla >> Masters Of The Universe >> World Of Tiers >> Who's Gonna Win The War >> Ghost Dance > >This is the same song list as on "Hawkwind Anthology Vol.I 1977-1982" >put out on Samurai records (SAMR 038). And let me add that id Acid Daze is as poorly mixed and engineered as Anthology, then toss it in the dumpster. :-) Among those sngs, what you have is a pretty quirky little collection of tunes, pretty much unrelated, from vastly different eras. Hawkwind has been around for something like 25 years or more, and they have had about as many different sounds as they have had albums. I have two of the songs on the collection on the studio album "Levitation". That album is digitally recorded, and sounds -wonderful-. The version of those same songs on "Anthology" sounds like ummm... waste product. :-) "Who's Gonna Win The War" is an eerie, heavy tune in much the same style as Blue Oyster Cult's "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars". It is in some ways both more ethereal, -and- heavier... World of Tiers is a wild, driving instrumental with guitar work that sounds like a dive-bomber attack. I -love- that song, it was the first piece of Huw Lloyd-Langton guitar work I ever heard. It has a spacey synthesizer intrumental in the middle, done by Tim Blake of Gong, which is about as neat-o as synths get. :-) The other stuff is from earlier albums, which other people would be much more informed about than I. I live in the U.S., where finding a Hawkwind CD is like trying to find a Quark in your attic. :-) If you happen to be a Moorcock fan, I can't recommend Live Chronicles enough. That album captures the "feel" of Moorcock's Elric books better than ANY other music I've heard. Certainly more so than BOC's Black Blade, which, while it is a great rock tune, doesn't nearly capture the atmosphere of the novels like Hawkwind's "Moonglum" or "The Sea King" do... (I'm speaking musically, not lyrically, here, I -know- who wrote the lyrics to Black Blade... :-) ----------------------- To whoever asked about Moody Blues/Black Sabbath. They're both imaginitve rock as far as I'm concerned. If you "ADD" the discographies/lyrics, I'll make 'em available from this account. - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve Swann * "Speak to me in many voices; make swann@acsu.buffalo.edu * them all sound like one... " v061q3x6@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu * - Blue Oyster Cult >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 12:48:42 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 18:19:32 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: BOC Post: Guest performers on Imaginos X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Oct 8, 90 11:57 pm Steve, our Humble Moderator :) asks: > Does anybody recognise any of the other guitar players in > "The Guitar Orchestra Of The State Of Imaginos"? :-) > If you don't own a copy of Imaginos, then > 1.) shame on you :-) > 2.) here's the list of guests: > Guitar: Marc Biedermann > Kevin Carlson Marc Biedermann was with Blind Illusion before they folded. For those of you who don't know (what?), Blind Illusion were a Bay Area thrash band which (and here's the novelty:) DIDN'T SOUND LIKE A BAY AREA THRASH BAND!!! They recorded one full length album, called "The Sane Asylum", but this is not to say they were a fly-by-night act. In fact, BI had been active on the Bay Area scene since pretty much from the beginning (e.g. like their contemporaries Metallica, Exodus, etc.) Personally I liked "The Sane Asylum" a lot (and, having been prompted by Steve's posting, listened to it again after having not heard it in ages, and found that I still like it:). When it was released (circa 1987/88) it sounded extremely fresh in a thrash scene which had gotten bogged down in an obsession with excessive speed and cheap shock value lyrics. "The Sane Asylum" has a weird quality about it, both lyrically and (to a larger extent) musically, yet still manages to kick severe ass in the process. Worth checking out IMHO. Anyway, I read somewhere that whilst BI were recording their album, work was being done on "Imaginos" (still a solo project at that time I think) in the same recording studio (in a more expensive part of the studio of course:). As a result, Marc Biedermann and possibly another BI member whose name I can't remember offhand---maybe it was Kevin Carlson; the name rings a bell---were asked if they'd do some guitar work for "Imaginos". He (they) did, and the rest, as they say, is history. I'll try and dig out the interview where I read this and verify the details. Cheers, Paul. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 12:50:58 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 19:01:54 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "Stuart Hungerford" at Oct 12, 90 10:21 am Stuart Hungerford writes: > Speaking of Hawkwind discographies - I'd like to replace my vinyl Hawkwind > collection with CD's but I can't afford to do it too quickly so I thought > I'd start with a "collection" CD or two. > > Trouble is, I've heard that the sound quality on some of the collection CD's > is not good. Is this true? What Hawkwind collection CD would you recommend? Ok, so I'll come clean and admit that I don't actually own a CD player (perish the thought!:), so this is probably not relevant to Stuart, but anyway... In the UK, Castle Communications are re-releasing a lot of old 70's stuff, including some HW material. I presume they are releasing on CD as well as vinyl. A particularly lucrative proposition is their "double value" (or whatever) series which features two choice albums by a band in a double album sleeve but at roughly the cost of a single album. The kicker for me is that the one they do for HW is "Levitation" paired with "Live Seventy Nine". I remember I was pretty cheesed off at the time when I saw this as _LSN_ is one of my all-time favourite HW albums and I'd just recently gotten a copy of it as a US import (believe that if you can Steve:) after having searched high and low for it for years. My copy of _LSN_ cost more than the double album set too. (At least it's in the original sleeve...:) Still, I'm not sure if I'd recommend buying HW collections. I'd much rather listen to a live album like _Live Seventy Nine_, _Live Chronicles_, or _Space Ritual_ than a collection because I have found that the HW collections are of such uneven quality. The early live recordings that surface on compilations are usually very sludgy, and the compilation process seems pretty slap-dash in a lot of cases, especially on the ones put out by Flicknife (e.g. ends of songs being truncated etc.). I haven't yet seen a HW compilation album which bears the halmark of having been lovingly put together. All the ones I've heard have sounded like they've been thrown together and that selling the album is more a motive than presenting HW in as best a light possible. (As an aside, I've heard that the recent BOC compilation album "Career of Evil" is pretty much a cash-in sort of affair.) No, the best way to experience HW is to buy some of their "proper" albums. The live ones give a good selection of songs (albeit performed at the same "phase" in the band's career). Failing that, just start replacing your favourite vinyl ones at a rate you can afford. In my experience, the compilations are not worth shelling out for, especially if you already have some HW on vinyl. I hardly listen to the HW anthologies I have. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Anyone offer a different opinion? (Certainly I would be *very* glad to hear of a good HW collection, because then *I* could buy it and recommend it to friends who want to get into HW.) Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Cheers, Paul. >From dworkin Fri Oct 12 12:57:24 1990 To: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!BOC-L In-reply-to: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 12 Oct 90 19:01:54 BST <9010121807.AA29789@uunet.uu.net> Subject: Career of Evil : (As an aside, I've heard that the recent BOC compilation album "Career : of Evil" is pretty much a cash-in sort of affair.) It's pretty obvious the band didn't have a lot to do with it. The song list is generally stuff I liked anyway, so there's no real complaint there. *But*, they're all straight off of previous albums. I was kind of hoping for different versions of the songs, especially the live ones (about a 50-50 mix). Since I can't really afford to go buy lots of CDs of stuff I've already got on vinyl (CDs at work, vinyl at home), it was a reasonable purchase. However, if you've got the albums already, and have a tape deck at work, don't bother w/ CoE. Dworkin Imagine life with OS/360 the standard operating system. Now think about X. -Henry Spencer dworkin@solbourne.com Flamer's Hotline: (303) 678-4624 (1000 - 1800 Mountain) >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 13:58:22 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 20:27:24 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Paul Mather Subject: Miscellaneous... X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Oct 12, 90 11:19 am >> High Rise >> British Tribal Music >> Spirit Of The Age >> Urban Guerilla >> Masters Of The Universe >> World Of Tiers >> Who's Gonna Win The War >> Ghost Dance [...] > And let me add that id Acid Daze is as poorly mixed and engineered as > Anthology, then toss it in the dumpster. :-) > > Among those sngs, what you have is a pretty quirky little collection > of tunes, pretty much unrelated, from vastly different eras. Hawkwind > has been around for something like 25 years or more, and they have had > about as many different sounds as they have had albums. I have two of > the songs on the collection on the studio album "Levitation". That album > is digitally recorded, and sounds -wonderful-. The version of those > same songs on "Anthology" sounds like ummm... waste product. :-) I agree. As I've said in another posting, most Hawkwind collections seem to be just thrown together (to sell product?) rather than lovingly crafted. A better way of experiencing Hawkwind would be to sample an album from one of their different periods and also take in some live albums. I would suggest "Doremi Fasol Latido", as a studio album from their earlier period (or "In Search Of Space" which is much easier to get a hold of), and "Space Ritual" as a live album from that same period. Then something like "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" to sample the "Calvert" era (remembering to turn "Hassan I Sabha" up full blast:), with "Live Seventy Nine" providing the live stuff, and then something like "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" for more contemporary material with "Live Chronicles" or "Stonehenge (This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic)" fulfilling the live side of things. One thing to keep in mind with Hawkwind though is that they are *weird* (you just have to listen to "Flying Doctor" on the "25 Years On" album and the bulk of the "Warrior on the Edge of Time" album for example to see what I mean:). If you are at all put off by weirdness then you probably will not take to Hawkwind. (BTW: I agree with Steve, "Levitation" does sound wonderful IMHO.) > "Who's Gonna Win The War" is an eerie, heavy tune in much the same style > as Blue Oyster Cult's "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars". It is in some ways > both more ethereal, -and- heavier... You should check out the version of "Who's Gonna Win The War" on the "Independent Days" 10" mini LP. (The version which was released as a single.) Talk about heavy!! The bass on that version is real trouser-flapping stuff. (In case of sonic attack on your district...:) > World of Tiers is a wild, driving > instrumental with guitar work that sounds like a dive-bomber attack. I > -love- that song, it was the first piece of Huw Lloyd-Langton guitar work > I ever heard. It has a spacey synthesizer intrumental in the middle, > done by Tim Blake of Gong, which is about as neat-o as synths get. :-) I like the drumming on the "Levitation" album a lot too. It has a certain sense of complexity about it, especially on "World of Tiers". Ginger Baker, if I'm not mistaken. On of the trademarks of HW, IMHO, is their ability to weave in and utilise synths and audio generators in their music. I think this is what gives HW their "Space Rock" tag, and well deserved too. The best thing is the way it seems to *blend* into the music---to augment it rather than dominate it, becoming an intrinsic part yet one in its proper place. > The other stuff is from earlier albums, which other people would be much > more informed about than I. I live in the U.S., where finding a Hawkwind > CD is like trying to find a Quark in your attic. :-) Ah, but you should try finding BOC albums over here... :-) Ok, I haven't heard this particular compilation so I don't know which precise versions these are having heard them elsewhere, here goes... "Ghost Dance", and "British Tribal Music" are rather weird "instrumentals" and are reasonably contemporary. "High Rise" is off the "P.X.R. 5" album (the album whose cover had to be re-done because it was deemed too dangerous) and is from the "Calvert" era. If you listen to the lyrics, they're actually a scathing attack (if I recall the song correctly) on the disasterous sixties housing policies which gave rise to the "slums on stilts" blocks of flats which are so much trouble today. "Urban Guerilla" is another Calvert track and was actually banned by the BBC when released as a single. (It had the misfortune to be released at the same time as the Munich Olympics terrorist incident.) There is a stomping live version of this on the "British Tribal Music" compilation which is well worth a listen. "Master Of The Universe" is *the* classic HW track (alongside the likes of "Brainstorm", "Angels of Death", etc.) which should be in every HW fan's collection. This track goes down a storm live and is one of those tracks which can easily be improvised on and jammed off. A real driving beat. "Spirit of the Age" is another track from the "Calvert" era. The version from "Live Seventy Nine" is one of my all-time favourite HW tracks (I prefer it to the version on "Quark, Strangeness and Charm"). The metallic tinge to Dave's vocals gives the track that extra impersonal edge which serves to heighten the impact of the lyrics (as does Dave's rather deadpan delivery:) which, for those who haven't heard it, describe a rather dystopian future; a sort of technology gone awry which puts me in mind of Philip K. Dick every time I listen to it. (What more recommendation do you need?:) > ----------------------- > > To whoever asked about Moody Blues/Black Sabbath. They're both imaginitve > rock as far as I'm concerned. If you "ADD" the discographies/lyrics, > I'll make 'em available from this account. I've been meaning to ask about this myself. What exactly do we mean by "imaginative rock"? Whilst we're throwing names about, would Voivod and Mekong Delta, for example, fit the description? I don't want to harp on about bands if they're not pertinent to the subject matter of the list. By "imaginative" do we mean lyrically or musically? For example, I would consider the work of Jimi Hendrix as highly "imaginative" from a musical standpoint, especially viewed in context (though personally I think his work still stands up today). Or by "imaginative" do we mean the lyrical themes in the music? If so, what themes are considered imaginative? SF & fantasy? Or anything which is thought-provoking (which admits a lot of "street-music" into the discussion)? Or is this "imaginative" aspect something which is indescribable and something which we will simply recognise when we see it? Something unknowable?... :) Enquiring minds want to know. Cheers, Paul. PS: Anyone know why the lyrics server at umass isn't working at the moment? "Your android replica is playing up again and it's no joke..." --- Hawkwind, "Spirit of the Age" >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Fri Oct 12 17:12:23 1990 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 17:28:00 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!V061Q3X6%UBVMS.BITNET Subject: Re: Miscellaneous... To: Dieter Muller Paul Mather (quite reasonably :-) asks: >I've been meaning to ask about this myself. What exactly do we mean >by "imaginative rock"? Well, from the list description on the server, here is what "we" :-) mean by that: * Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List * ...[irrelevant stuff deleted].... * * This group is for the discussion of imaginitive rock music in * general, as exemplified by such bands as Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind, * Rainbow, and any music which has its basis in science fiction * or fantasy literature, mysticism or the occult. * >By "imaginative" do we mean lyrically or musically? Lyrically. Getting into abstruse musical forms because they're intellectually interesting is beyond the scope of what I had in mind. >anything which is thought-provoking (which admits a lot of >"street-music" into the discussion)? No, I was planning on concentrating on stuff that has an element of the the fantastic or the mystical. No politics or social propaganda, please, this is about stuff of the imagination... :-) By the way, most metal is -not- what I would call imaginitive rock. A thrash band that sings (?) - Satan comes! Death bringer! Rends life! Evil of war! Naughty naughty! This is decent stuff if you wanna mosh, but there's not much there "talk about". And entirely apart from that, there's already a newsgroup devoted to it. I created this list with the idea of talking about those bands that have a lot to be said about them, but no forum for saying it. So here we all are. :-) One last point about metal; "Dio"-type metal is the exception to the rule above, with his dreamscapes and fantastical imagery. If there are other people doing stuff like that, I'd like to know about them. I rather think Metal Church falls under that category also, at least before their principal songwriter and vocalist split... So thrash in general isn't a no-no, just DUMB thrash bands who think that shouting "Satan" makes them deep. :-) >PS: Anyone know why the lyrics server at umass isn't working at the >moment? "It's dead, Jim..." Legal problems about lyric copyrights is what I heard. Uh, oh... ;-) - your Humble Moderator :-) Steve >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!mather%SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK Sat Oct 13 17:49:09 1990 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 90 18:00:51 BST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was p.mather@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Miscellaneous... X-To: BOC List To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: ; from "V061Q3X6" at Oct 12, 90 5:28 pm > >anything which is thought-provoking (which admits a lot of > >"street-music" into the discussion)? > > No, I was planning on concentrating on stuff that has an element of the > the fantastic or the mystical. No politics or social propaganda, > please, this is about stuff of the imagination... :-) A tad harsh... :) My main objection against admitting "street-music" into the discussion is that it is the sort of topic (i.e. politics) that nobody ever agrees on and tends to generate more heat than light with people shouting "I am right, you are wrong!" from pretty much entrenched positions. (It's not that I'm against such discussion, it's just that in my experience it tends to act as a magnet for flamers.) Of course, this could just be the opinion of a hopeless cynic and pessimist... :) > One last point about metal; "Dio"-type metal is the exception to the rule > above, with his dreamscapes and fantastical imagery. If there are other > people doing stuff like that, I'd like to know about them. I rather > think Metal Church falls under that category also, at least before their > principal songwriter and vocalist split... So thrash in general isn't > a no-no, just DUMB thrash bands who think that shouting "Satan" makes them > deep. :-) Ah, you anticipated my followup... :-) Yes, the problem about discussing music with fantastic or occult themes is that it admits a lot of throwaway Death Metal and retrograde thrash bands who refuse to grow up and learn how to write good lyrics (just MHO folks). Mostly these bands just put out a load of "Book of Revelations" nonsense and cheap shock-value gore stuff designed to offend (and identify the band with a particular genre). I agree that there's not much to discuss there (unless you're a theologian interested in the accuracy of the "Book of Revelations" type songs:). And unless you're a fan of slasher and gore films, there's not much meat in the likes of Death's "Scream Bloody Gore" or the latest Cannibal Corpse album. :-) However, I wouldn't like to rule out the death/thrash/metal genre altogether as there is some good stuff to be unearthed (IMHO). For instance, Sabbat's "History of a Time to Come" album contains some excellent lyrics, as does their followup "Dreamweaver", who's tracks link to form a story (pity they decided to go for hyper speed in the music though). Also notable is King Diamond's "Them" which can best be described as a horror story on vinyl. (Anyone heard the sequel "Conspiracy" and like to comment?). And then there's Warfare's "Hammer Horror" (a tribute to the work of the great British studio, produced in collaboration with them), and the work of Candlemass, and the Lovecraftian tracks on Mekong Delta's "The Music of Erich Zann" album. The list could go on and on... But unfortunately I can't because I must go now... :-) All the best, Paul. >From uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!stuarth%CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU Sun Oct 14 20:27:39 1990 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 90 10:13:42 EST Reply-To: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List Sender: Imaginitive Rock Music Discussion List From: Stuart Hungerford Subject: Re: Opinions, opinions, opinions... X-To: BOC-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Dieter Muller In-Reply-To: <9010121804.AA27268@lynx>; from "Paul Mather" at Oct 12, 90 7:01 pm Paul Mather says: > > Stuart Hungerford writes: > > Speaking of Hawkwind discographies - I'd like to replace my vinyl Hawkwind > > collection with CD's but I can't afford to do it too quickly so I thought > > I'd start with a "collection" CD or two. > > > > Trouble is, I've heard that the sound quality on some of the collection CD's > > is not good. Is this true? What Hawkwind collection CD would you recommend? > > Ok, so I'll come clean and admit that I don't actually own a CD player > (perish the thought!:), so this is proba